Yesterday an American Soldier told me that nobody cares about Soldiers. There wasn’t the tiniest hint of self-pity in his words. It was stated as fact, just simple cynical fact.
Me, being me, declared ‘YES they do. Many people do. The AMERICAN PEOPLE CARE!‘ I said it with passion and conviction.
‘Why do you think that?’, I asked.
‘We are pawns in a political game.’ he replied. He told me about how the guys over there all talk about it - privately. They see the news, they hear what people say. They know they are expendable.
‘It’s disheartening’, he said. Again said not with self-pity - just as fact.
I went into a tirade about how the loudest people are getting all the press and that he shouldn’t let that influence his attitude. I told him that most people, MOST people understand and know what they are doing there. Most people love and appreciate them and what they are doing. I told him that the average person isn’t like John Murtha, or John Kerry, or Air America, or any of the other narcissists that are willing to use the Soldiers’ lives for their own political gain.
In fact, I told him, most people despise those people for their carelessness with the lives of our Soldiers.
He listened, or didn’t listen, but he waited till I finished my onslaught in defense of the American people. Then he replied. ‘We know.’ That’s all. Just ‘we know’.
I felt like crying. I still feel like crying over it. I wanted to jump through the phone and make him understand that people do care. What he is doing is honorable and the people are behind them 100%.
But I’m powerless to make him understand. I’m powerless to make people understand how harmful words can be. I’m powerless to change anything.
All of this was in response to me asking him some questions about what they are doing. He skirted around my questions, but he finally started telling me what he could about his work.
‘We are having to train our troops to not shoot until we are certain that we are being shot at.’ He said they were training the troops to not shoot just because someone is shooting, they have to make sure they are shooting at them.
I asked, ‘What - you have to wait till you’re shot before you shoot?’. ‘Pretty much,’ he replied.
He told me that after the incident in which two Soldiers had been mutilated he had to have a long talk with his men about saving the last bullet for themselves should they find themselves over run.
‘You have to ask yourself, would you rather your mother get a letter that you died in battle or that you died mutilated with your penis cut off and crammed down your throat.’ he told his men.
He told me about ‘cultural sensitivity’ courses they are being required to take. He said the word around is that everybody is skittish about the ever present cameras and newsmen. They have to make sure nothing can be interpreted in the press to make the Americans out to be the bad guys.
‘Everybody’s afraid to pull the trigger. If you don’t pull the trigger, you might be killed, if you pull the trigger you could be ending your career.’ He added, ‘They’d really rather us be killed than get any bad press. So we aren’t supposed to pull the trigger.’
I’m watching Israel go after one Soldier. They refuse to leave this one Soldier to the horrible fate that the Palestinians undoubtedly would have in store for him. The news is calling it a ’stand-off’. It’s not a stand-off. Israel is beating the daylights out of them. But the press is doing all it can to give the Palestinians hope that they might be able to live through a real all out assault by Israel.
Why won’t America do that? Why does America tie the hands of our troops? Why don’t we kick the press out of the platoons and let them do what they need to do? Why would we RATHER OUR SOLDIER’s be killed than get bad press?
We are getting bad press ANYWAY. I’d rather the world RESPECT us than like us. No one can respect THIS kind of weak, lily-livered fighting.
It’s all so silly and at the same time so sad.
How does a mother stand having her child in this battle with the worst of the enemies being the American media and progressives who would see our Soldiers dead than admit there is a real threat from the islamic world.
I thought we learned that lesson in Vietnam.
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July 3rd, 2006 at 8:15 am
*sigh*
This makes me so sad. The media and political asshats of our country are getting in the way of our soldiers doing their job. They’re making them second-guess every move.. DURING A FRIKKIN’ WAR. I mean, how in the HELL do they expect our guys to get into a firefight, fight back with all they’re worth, with the thought in the back of their heads “Am I going to be court martialed for that kill?”
This pisses me OFF.
I know you spoke with passion- I would have too. The families of these soldiers have more balls than brass does these days. Why aren’t they sticking up for these guys? WHY? I know that we have some “bad eggs” out there who, if they really did commit rape and/or murder, should be prosecuted… but the majority of our soldiers are NOT criminal in their actions.
The outrage shown by some citizens (Code Pinko and Sheehan-ites), the MSM, and some politicians is clouding the judgement of career officers who want to remain career officers. We need a new Chesty. Someone who will stick up for our guys and tell the rest of the criticizing asshats to STFU!
July 3rd, 2006 at 12:30 pm
I never went to Vietnam.
But, I kept up on what was happening there, what our Congress was doing, and what the Media put out.
From about 1969 on, it really angered me to see the negative comments, the demonization of the troops there, and the with holding of necessary manpower and resouces to prosecute that War.
Last night’s War Stories with Col. Olver North [The Seige of Firebase Ripcord]really exemplified what happened. The Johnson Administration sent men to show that ” We cared”.
July 3rd, 2006 at 1:17 pm
‘From about 1969 on, it really angered me to see the negative comments, the demonization of the troops there, and the with holding of necessary manpower and resouces to prosecute that War…The Johnson Administration sent men to show that †We caredâ€Â.’
DaveH, Nixon was elected in 1968 - because he promised to reduce troop numbers and end the war.
That’s one reason why your “Democrats stabbed us in the back” Dolchstoss myth will never fly.
July 3rd, 2006 at 2:04 pm
I can’t believe the comments I’m reading. I’m a Vietvet. I served in the infantry and have a purple heart. I’m partially disabled as a result of my service. The Vietnam war was a huge mistake and the Iraq war is a huge mistake. Bush, who never saw combat, is wasting one of America’s greatest resources. There is no one on earth better at what he does than the US fighting man. There is no one who is respected more by us “libtards” as one of these sloganeers refers to us. The problem is, we don’t belong in Iraq. We are making things worse by being there. Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11 and nothing to do with WMD. Bush is an idiot manipulated by Rumsfeld and Cheney and Wolfowitz. By the way, would anyone care to see photos of Rumsfeld shaking hands with Hussein in 1984 when Reagan was supplying Hussein with weapons? Bush had only one man working in his cabinet who knew anything about how to fight a war. That was Colin Powell. He only had one man in his cabinet who had ever been in combat. Colin Powell. But he wouldn’t listen to Powell who said we shouldn’t invade Iraq. Powell was the classic fighting man. He gave his boss his best advice and then kept his mouth shut and did as he was told. That’s what I did 40 years ago and that’s what these brave men and women are doing today. If only we had leaders who were as great as the troops. As for those of you who complain about the press. The press isn’t setting out the roadside bombs. The press isn’t murdering our troops. Our troops haven’t been found guilty until proven innocent. Most have done nothing wrong and are not being punished. A few have done wrong and if we had decent leadership, there would have been almost none of that. Abu Graib was a foregone conclusion because of the way the leadership handled it. There have been psych studies for 50 years that show 2 out of every 3 decent men, without proper training, will slide into prisoner abuse if the circumstances are right and if their leaders don’t take responsibility. Why don’t some of you rent “Fog of War” and listen to Robert McNamara explain how he and the rest of the leaders screwed up and wasted 58,000 lives in Vietnam? Idiot Bush and criminal Cheney are doing the same in Iraq. Afghanistan was a war we had to fight. Iraq is not. And unless you have been in combat, like I have, don’t tell me that you support the troops by putting some ribbon on your car bumper. Support the troops by bringing them home.
July 3rd, 2006 at 2:28 pm
I’m an old vet, here’s a comment from a young vet.
http://www.ivaw.net/index.php?id=209
An Open Letter to Bubba
2. By Charlie Anderson, Iraq Veterans Against the War
I’ve seen you around. I’ve seen you driving your gas guzzling SUV with the “Support Our Troops†ribbon on the back. I’ve seen you wearing your pro-war/pro-bush t-shirts as you walk right past me in my Iraq Veterans Against the War t-shirt as if I don’t exist. And I’ve seen you at anti-war rallies and meetings where I often speak, as you wave your American flag and call me a traitor. In this country we have freedom of speech. But you owe me and every other veteran of this war the respect of listening to our experience.
Your magnet says “support our troops,†but what have you done for us? Not a penny of the proceeds go to us, instead they go to sweatshops outside the US. You say that I am not supporting the troops when I say that they should come home. But I am, because I know that there was no threat to our nation from Saddam Hussein, I know that had no weapons of mass destruction, and I know that we were not welcomed in as liberators. I know that the war was not worth fighting. I know, because I fought there. You say I’m confused. But what do you know about ? You’ve never been there.
You have the audacity to claim that by not supporting the president, I don’t support the troops. Yet, the president chose to send over 160,000 of us to unprepared and without a defined mission. We had no body armor, no vehicle armor, and poor supplies of ammunition. Our families spent thousands of dollars that they did not have to supply us, while President Bush did nothing. In fact he didn’t even scold his Offensive Secretary, Donald Rumsfeld, when he told our forward deployed troops, “you go to war with the army you have, not the army you wish you had.†Moreover, the mission was originally about weapons of mass destruction, but there were none. Then it was making a democracy, but yet the “insurgency†worsens. Now the president has decided that in order to honor those who died for nothing, more must die for nothing.
At present, 2,241 of my brothers and sisters in arms have died. In some way, they may be the lucky ones. Over sixteen thousand others have been wounded in this war, thousands more than planned. The term wounded sounds sterile, bland, and inoffensive. But, in reality, many of them have been so horribly damaged that medical science had to create a new word to describe their wounds: polytrauma. These people would have died in earlier wars, but because of the gallant efforts of brave doctors and medics, they get to live. They get to live with teams of ten or more doctors just trying to get their broken, mangled bodies through another day, as their families look on in horror. They get to live in a physical and emotional hell, not able to recover and not able to voice the pain they feel or the psychological demons they face. All the while suffering with a Veterans Administration under funded by nearly three billion dollars and unable to care for them in the manner they deserve.
So which one of us supports the troops? You, who has never set foot in Iraq and wants to leave my brothers and sisters there until they complete whatever the undefined mission of the week is, or me, the veteran of this war who has seen the carnage of battle, the rampant indifference of my countrymen, and just wants to bring my brothers and sisters home alive and care for them when they get here?
Keep coming to the rallies. Maybe I’ll get through your thick skull eventually. But remember I waved my flag in Baghdad , so you can sit down, shut up, and listen to me.
P.s.Cost of the War in Iraq — so far
$293,136,198,432
July 3rd, 2006 at 4:29 pm
Solders are heroes, but the people that put then in harms way don’t deserve the same respect. Just because you’re the commander in chief doesn’t mean you deserve the respect of the American people for what solders are doing for our country. I’m tired of being made to feel unpatriotic because I don’t agree with the war. My friends are dieing over there just like others friends and family are. Their sacrifice is honorable because they choose (or are asked without the option of saying no) to do the work that most Americans will not stomach. We are a nation of hypocritical leadership backed by the strongest and most honored fighting men and women in the world. You can’t expect people to blindly support this war based solely on patriotism. I’m and American that not only supports our troops but wishes for a day when their not asked to be pawns in a political media game. Politics can govern taxes, commerce and civil liberties. American politics seems to want to also govern morality as only we see it. The morality of a childless mother over a misunderstood conflict seems no less important (in fact more important) than a politicians re-elections chances.
July 3rd, 2006 at 5:38 pm
Do I make you Proud?…
A really good post by Balding Eagle, Grey Eagle’s (A Female Soldier 2) husband, and a even more moving video.
Check out Do I Make You Proud -Taylor Hicks
Also posted at A Rose by Any Other Name. Thanks Laurie.
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July 3rd, 2006 at 9:40 pm
I think this is exactly what is coming thru in the polls on Iraq. Most of us want it done right. Not at the expense of our military because if “we” are going to “tie their hands” just forget it. I do not want to stand by and let “Vietnam” happen to our military. And I am not talking about the war… I am talking about halfway doing it at the cost of these men and women who serve us. There will be no “baby killer” crap for these men and women. We get it. We do not buy that crap anymore… may have worked in the sixties won’t work now. I will be the first in line to thank each of them for the sacrifices they make for me. So if we can’t do it all the way. BRING THEM HOME and Then we can fight them here. Then we’ll Redneck it up!
July 4th, 2006 at 1:10 am
“I thought we learned that lesson in Vietnam.”
The Army learned the lesson and promptly drew the wrong conclusions in the self-flagellation following the fall of Saigon. The Rules of Engagement I adhered to in 1969 were even more restrictive than those imposed on the soldiers deployed in the GWOT, but I adhered to them because they were part of the ground rules of that particular fight.
Did adhering to the RoE make us feel that we were fighting with one hand tied behind our backs? Yup. Did it affect our morale? Not much. Most of us saw the reason for the restrictions in context, we were be very effective in combat and we got called “baby-burners” when we came back. Life isn’t fair and a soldiers life can be *very* unfair. But adhering to the RoE is not about “not pulling the trigger” on a terr–it’s about *being sure* whoever you’re pulling the trigger on is a terr…
July 4th, 2006 at 3:13 pm
Untie their hands, like how?
Allow massacres, gang rapes?
One thing for sure, Bush doesn’t care about the soldiers, otherwise why cut the VA?
Rumsfeld doesn’t care about the soldiers, otherwise why did he fight expanding the size of the Army to take some of the load off of those who have to rotate back again and again to Iraq and Afghanistan?