Am I the only one who has wondered why there have been a couple of incidents of British military personnel being captured by Iranians without any resistance from the British?
It seemed odd to me each time. After all, the British are known to be disciplined and fierce warriors. The British are certainly known to have one of the best Naval services in the world. That’s their reputation. It has been for centuries. The British Navy defeated the Spanish Armada for crying out loud.
A senior American commander in the Gulf has said his men would have fired on the Iranian Republican Guard rather than let themselves be taken hostage.
In a dramatic illustration of the different postures adopted by British and US forces working together in Iraq, Lt-Cdr Erik Horner - who has been working alongside the task force to which the 15 captured Britons belonged - said he was “surprised” the British marines and sailors had not been more aggressive.
Asked by The Independent whether the men under his command would have fired on the Iranians, he said: “Agreed. Yes. I don’t want to second-guess the British after the fact but our rules of engagement allow a little more latitude. Our boarding team’s training is a little bit more towards self-preservation.”
The executive officer - second-in-command on USS Underwood, the frigate working in the British-controlled task force with HMS Cornwall - said: “The unique US Navy rules of engagement say we not only have a right to self-defence but also an obligation to self-defence. They [the British] had every right in my mind and every justification to defend themselves rather than allow themselves to be taken. Our reaction was, ‘Why didn’t your guys defend themselves?’”
The British had been warned by the CIA that the Iranians were looking for retribution for the capture of Iranian operatives in Iraq. Over the past two months over 300 Iranians intelligence officers have been captured in Iraq. The British did not raise their threat level in response to the Iranian threat.
Apparently, the British rules of engagement are even more restrictive than the American rules of engagement.
Yesterday, the former First Sea Lord, Admiral Sir Alan West, said British rules of engagement were “very much de-escalatory, because we don’t want wars starting … Rather than roaring into action and sinking everything in sight we try to step back and that, of course, is why our chaps were, in effect, able to be captured and taken away.”
Can you just imagine what that kind of statement does for the morale of the British Troops!
Meanwhile, eight British Sailors and seven Royal Marines are being ‘interrogated’ in Tehran. One of them is a new mother.
No one questions the bravery, valor, gallantry and aggressiveness of the British military men and women. What I question is the rules of engagement under which they are having to operate. I thought our military had their hands tied, it’s nothing compared to this.
Would you want your son or daughter having to go to war without the ability to defend themselves?
I imagine Winston Churchill is undoubtedly rolling over in his grave.
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March 26th, 2007 at 1:29 am
I am a retired British army officer and I can but completely agree with both your and the Yank navy comments. What is the point of having a ‘ naval task force ‘ if it cannot even defend its own?
Clearly the boarding parties would have had communications with the Cornwall. I have some experience of the boats used for these operations - they would make a difficult target for a larger naval vessel - Nelson must be turning over in his grave and the officer, or senior nco, in charge of this party must have been a wimp.
I served in many theatres where we had restricted rules of engagement but they never excluded the right to self defence.
An absolute disgrace
March 26th, 2007 at 1:42 am
Beth - Like Bob F and I mentioned yesterday, they got seized by the Iraniacs at 10 AM in the Gulf - without air cover or back-up? NOW the truth surfaces that the ‘Rules of Non-Engagement’ were a bigtime Politically Correct player here.
The Brits used the Iraniac tactics on us that led to the War of 1812 for God’s sake! I pity the Royal Marines and Navy personnel that serve in the Gulf under these pussy ‘PC’ rules of non-engagement. And NOW the Iraniacs and Islamomaniacs know that the Brits are…paper lions? Thanks for this great story and well done Beth. These 15 Brit hostages are in for a LONG captivity - like ours were in 1979 & 1980 times 444 days! And PM Tony Blair is no President Ronald Wilson Reagan …… + IRAN + …….!
March 26th, 2007 at 2:14 am
Life in the gulf is about to get interesting.
March 26th, 2007 at 3:12 am
Two interesting sets of Global Warming statistics….
Statistics are notoriously fickle and unreliable. Some comedian once quipped that 97.3% of all statistics are meaningless. Indeed.
So of course Global Warming is filled with statistics that both sides make their cases with.
Consid…
March 26th, 2007 at 6:47 am
The Knucklehead of the Day award…
Today’s winner is Sergio Garcia….
March 26th, 2007 at 6:50 am
Three bishops, one Duke, a President, 1 cardinal…
For a simple Tacloban girl, my wife certainly gets around….
March 26th, 2007 at 7:37 am
I agree with the Churchill / Nelson comments. There may well have been errors over how the encounter between the two navies was handled, but I have heard from UK military bloggers that our servicemen were outgunned (six Iranian boats with bow-mounted machine guns vs. 15 personnel with sidearms). Perhaps the Cornwall should have engaged anyway.
I hope predictions that the hostages will not be released are wrong, but in the meantime we need to be careful that a supine policy response doesn’t encourage further Iranian aggression - though my hopes aren’t high.
March 26th, 2007 at 7:47 am
Islamist Website Instructs Mujahideen in Using Popular U.S. Web Forums to Foster Anti-War Sentiment among Americans…
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March 26th, 2007 at 8:49 am
Take Me out to the Ball Game…..Por Favor…Senor….
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Take me out with the drugs.
Buy me some I.D.’s to call my own,
I don’t care if I never get home,
Let me root, root, root for the home team,
Homeland Security’s a shame.
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March 26th, 2007 at 9:14 am
Monday Prayer for Deliverance……
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